Comments on: Grassroots Mapping with the Shipibo in the center of Lima http://grassrootsmapping.org/2010/01/grassroots-mapping-with-the-shipibo-in-the-center-of-lima/ Stories of community based mapping projects Tue, 05 Feb 2013 23:05:05 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=4.9.5 By: best eyelash growth products http://grassrootsmapping.org/2010/01/grassroots-mapping-with-the-shipibo-in-the-center-of-lima/comment-page-1/#comment-10366 Fri, 16 Nov 2012 13:22:40 +0000 http://grassrootsmapping.org/?p=73#comment-10366 I like it whenever people get together and share views. Great blog, keep it up!

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By: Best of Reddit http://grassrootsmapping.org/2010/01/grassroots-mapping-with-the-shipibo-in-the-center-of-lima/comment-page-1/#comment-10348 Wed, 07 Nov 2012 19:49:50 +0000 http://grassrootsmapping.org/?p=73#comment-10348 Thanks for another fantastic post. Where else may just anybody get that type of information in such an ideal approach of writing? I’ve a presentation next week, and I’m at the look for such info.

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By: IvoSan http://grassrootsmapping.org/2010/01/grassroots-mapping-with-the-shipibo-in-the-center-of-lima/comment-page-1/#comment-481 Thu, 18 Mar 2010 22:05:46 +0000 http://grassrootsmapping.org/?p=73#comment-481 Nice project. If you need any help from the Peruvian autorouting map project, just ask.

http://perut.org/

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By: Mike Bergen http://grassrootsmapping.org/2010/01/grassroots-mapping-with-the-shipibo-in-the-center-of-lima/comment-page-1/#comment-49 Mon, 25 Jan 2010 23:14:04 +0000 http://grassrootsmapping.org/?p=73#comment-49 Thanks for the clarification Jeffrey,

I’m glad to see that your head’s in the right place as far as sustainable solutions. So many people these days do *humanitarian* projects that ultimately serve very little besides the originator’s ego. It will be interesting to see where this goes.

From my perspective it seems that it would be good to develop the home-made hot air balloon in kit form (financial limitations of helium) then package with instructions and supply local individuals with these kits so that they could serve specific communities like the Shipibo. If you got something like that up and running you could probably get a very strong donor response from members on photo.net for compact cameras that would serve your purpose. Sounds like fun- and definitely useful in certain situations.

Heck, you might consider hitting up goprocamera.com for camera sponsorship. Would be an intriguing application for their product. They’re light, shoot video and stills, and are cheap enough that they could potentially float you some units without breaking the bank.

Anyway- keep truckin and good luck.

Mike Bergen
NGO AidJoy

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By: Jeffrey Warren http://grassrootsmapping.org/2010/01/grassroots-mapping-with-the-shipibo-in-the-center-of-lima/comment-page-1/#comment-48 Mon, 25 Jan 2010 17:34:31 +0000 http://grassrootsmapping.org/?p=73#comment-48 Hi, Mike – good question! Well, conventional tools typically involve either GPS equipment, which at the accuracy needed costs over $150/unit (though loaned equipment can be used to do some pretty fantastic work: mapkibera.org) for several units, or buying satellite imagery, which I’m not even sure exists at good enough resolution and recency to be of use, not to mention it’s hard to imagine going to an internet cafe and paying for it online with a credit card if you live in Cantagallos.

So on the one hand, I’m just trying to bring the price down, and at the same time capture much *better* imagery, both on the basis of resolution and recency. The whole kite rig can be put together for only $50, and balloons are not much more, at about $150 (remember with GPS you’d probably have to buy a few of them, and they’re illegal in some countries).

I’d also say that the definition of the user base is important. I’m not just wandering into some settlement and launching a balloon – I’m working with dedicated groups of educators and aid workers who have worked with these communities for an extended period of time – years, in some cases. It’s just as important that Carla, Nancy, and Ysabel of Manzanita “A”, Daniel Miracle of Escuelab, and Ernesto, Sandy, and Sara of CEDRO become familiar with these techniques, since they have the trust of the residents of their respective target communities. And traditional GIS practices ask a bit much technologically – the way we’re doing it, you don’t even need to download an application – you can generate the map at an internet cafe using Firefox, if you like.

Of course I’m also trying to push the envelope here a bit, and to explore what works and what doesn’t, but it seems like a lot of the web-based neogeography toos have a lot to offer at a low barrier-to-entry compared to the GIS toolchain. So that’s an area of interest/research to me. (Full disclosure; I created Cartagen, which tries to completely upend some of the tile-based systems used by even the most cutting edge neogeographers, so obviously I have weird ideas about how maps should be made, LOL)

Finally, though, I’d say that beyond being cheaper and better (resolution, recency), the most important part of this balloon/kite process to me is that it does more to include residents of these kinds of settlements in documenting and *defining* their geography. To me, GPS is a great tool, but it’s kind of a black box as far as users are concerned — hell, I don’t even really really know how they work. Simply taking pictures of your home from above (pictures which YOU OWN, no less) makes immediate, tangible sense. You can even see yourself in every picture, holding the string! Which is to say that it’s a lot more tangible than a satellite. So there’s this other, more psychological, epistemological angle which is important.

Sorry to blabber on — I hope that makes some sense? Please don’t hesitate to criticize – I’m still refining these ideas so I’d love to hear your thoughts.

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By: Mike Bergen http://grassrootsmapping.org/2010/01/grassroots-mapping-with-the-shipibo-in-the-center-of-lima/comment-page-1/#comment-46 Mon, 25 Jan 2010 16:27:54 +0000 http://grassrootsmapping.org/?p=73#comment-46 Hi there Jeffrey- Interesting project you’ve got here. Could you explain what you see as the benefits to using these techniques? It seems that the technology you’re using (camera, helium balloon, computer, software) isn’t really more accessible to impoverished people than conventional tools. Not trying to attack you at all. I’m just curious.

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This post was mentioned on Twitter by TheEyeOfTim: Grassroots Mapping in Lima (via @BoingBoing) http://tinyurl.com/yf9kpm2

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By: Tweets that mention Grassroots Mapping » Blog Archive » Grassroots Mapping with the Shipibo in the center of Lima -- Topsy.com http://grassrootsmapping.org/2010/01/grassroots-mapping-with-the-shipibo-in-the-center-of-lima/comment-page-1/#comment-44 Mon, 25 Jan 2010 10:34:25 +0000 http://grassrootsmapping.org/?p=73#comment-44 […] This post was mentioned on Twitter by Martijn van Exel, Matt Gedigian and TheEyeOfTim, Eclectica. Eclectica said: One more link before I go—mapping with aerial photography in Peru, using helium balloons: http://eclectica.co.uk/00239 […]

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By: Jeffrey Warren http://grassrootsmapping.org/2010/01/grassroots-mapping-with-the-shipibo-in-the-center-of-lima/comment-page-1/#comment-37 Sun, 24 Jan 2010 18:20:38 +0000 http://grassrootsmapping.org/?p=73#comment-37 Hey seth – wish you were there, it was a lot of fun. I’m trying to get a final map together to print at poster-size. I also have a lot more photos I’ll keep posting in the next few days.

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By: Activist MIT cartographers aid Peruvian squatters | The World Matters http://grassrootsmapping.org/2010/01/grassroots-mapping-with-the-shipibo-in-the-center-of-lima/comment-page-1/#comment-32 Sun, 24 Jan 2010 02:00:32 +0000 http://grassrootsmapping.org/?p=73#comment-32 […] which supports communities in cartographic dispute by creating low-cost mapping tools.” Grassroots Mapping with the Shipibo in the center of Lima (Thanks, Jeffrey!) […]

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